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more than just drugs too, I'm thinking religious activities all sorts of things.
8:35 PM
Its a philanthropist dream, one that I hope somebody will beat me to the punch to
8:35 PM
tbh
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you mean, the religious experience, sort of thing? I've read somewhere that they would show up as very, very similar to psychedelic sessions in brain activity; don't think I have a link ready for that one tho
8:37 PM
it was an off-hand citation in some book or other
8:38 PM
at least IIRC
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Right, I haven't seen much about religious activity studies either
8:40 PM
Unless we are talking meditation, which apparently expands certain parts of the brain associated with willpower usually
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I want to get psychics, mediums, out of body people, people who are praying, meditating, etc
8:40 PM
See what parts of the brain all these different activities use...
8:41 PM
and similar to the experiment Pleeb linked me to at Stanford
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The closest I can think of to a place studying metaphysics is The Monroe Institute but I’m ignorant to the specifics. I just know lucid dreaming and OBE tests/workshops
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What parts of the brain tulpas make fire off
8:41 PM
@Rome Keep it up and you might be my new favorite
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Hahaha ❤️
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Would you all come to a place like that?
8:46 PM
I find a lot of people aren't so into the actual metaphysics science side of it.
8:46 PM
Maybe I'll start the place with @Pleeb one day 😛
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donkerhonker 4/8/2018 8:48 PM
guys
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how the fuck do i deal with fae
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i pissed them off a few weeks a go
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Think like a caterpillar
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Lol, I would love to go to a place like that.
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@donkerhonker do you know what court they're from?
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donkerhonker 4/8/2018 8:52 PM
Fucking Fae don't have courts in the real world dude
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Uhh? Okay nevermind fuck you i was gonna try to help
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donkerhonker 4/8/2018 8:52 PM
im sorry
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Deleted User 4/8/2018 8:52 PM
I'd just like to point out
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That the actual definition of metaphysics as a school of science, and the topics of the religions that get discussed here, vary dramatically
8:55 PM
And I think the high ratios of drug related conversations are quite telling that yall need to take it easy
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donkerhonker 4/8/2018 8:55 PM
@Caelum why are you so angry dude i was insult the fae anyway not you
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@Deleted User I think it's more so that the altered states of perception rather than the actual drug use itself.
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Maybe that's why you're having issues 🙄 🙄 🙄
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Deleted User 4/8/2018 8:57 PM
Well if you're talking about altered states of perception that's either psychology, or metaphysics possibly
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@Deleted User Ever done any reading on Albert Hoffman?
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Deleted User 4/8/2018 8:58 PM
It would depend if the underlying substrates of reality depended on this altered perception though
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And yes, so technically I figure they fit under the umbrella of "metaphysics" as many people have spiritual experiences bc of perception altering substances
8:58 PM
It doesn't depend on it, I think seeing things differently just allows us to notice it or at least get life from a different angle for a bit
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Deleted User 4/8/2018 8:59 PM
Ahhh yes
8:59 PM
They do have spiritual experiences
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And if you really think about, near-death experiences and hallucinations resulting from those is usually DMT
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Deleted User 4/8/2018 8:59 PM
But I actually have an explanation for this
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Which is secreted in the brain, but is also found in many places in nature
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Deleted User 4/8/2018 8:59 PM
The drugs activate deep networks of spiritual significance that's actually been crafted over milenia by evolution
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The events aren't real, but they seem real
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@donkerhonker Generally when I offend an individual I try to apologize, or avoid them
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@donkerhonker That can apply to physical or nonphysical individuals
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Deleted User 4/8/2018 9:00 PM
And in fact the certain drug produces a very repeated effect in different people
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Indeed
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Like Mother Ayahuasca
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Frequently seen by imbibers of the DMT brew Ayahuasca tea
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donkerhonker 4/8/2018 9:02 PM
Is someone wants to get offended over very little let them, their failings, not mine
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I've really heard differently about ayahuasca. It really doesn't lose in the potency of the experience, and that also in a spiritual growth sense. It's not just the same experience over and over
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Deleted User 4/8/2018 9:03 PM
Are any of you planning (or have already gone into) to study scientific fields?
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I'm graduated in math so take that how you will
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Deleted User 4/8/2018 9:04 PM
What kind of degree?
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bachelor's
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Deleted User 4/8/2018 9:05 PM
Yeah sure. I'd consider that a science
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donkerhonker 4/8/2018 9:05 PM
My uncle does it a lot
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I've got a bsc and I'm (on and off) working on a msc in psychology if that counts
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I feel like it would be interesting, though probably illegal, to do some DMT tests with afterlife. I have seen some stuff that is hard to explain but I still haven't seen any positive evidence of an afterlife and stuff like that -- doesn't mean I'm not open to ideas on actually running experiments.
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Deleted User 4/8/2018 9:08 PM
I'm a tulpa and I'm working on a bsc in psychology if that counts hehe
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Also I know I prolly wasn't the target of @Deleted User 's question
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Deleted User 4/8/2018 9:09 PM
I thought we disproved the notion of an afterlife long ago
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The only exception to this could be if the mind operates on a mechanical level that supercedes spatial dimensions
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I feel like when the neurons stop so does you
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Deleted User 4/8/2018 9:10 PM
And for this I've seen no evidence
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And I've seen evidence of that with my own eyes, when you"turn off" conscienceness for someone for instance, they time skip
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They don't even have a sense of Passage of time
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Like you would when sleeping
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Deleted User 4/8/2018 9:12 PM
Maybe you do
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But you just can't remember it
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There's plenty in the meta community who believe that after you die, your spirit goes on. There's some ways we can test that though, if we can just figure out how to measure it.
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But good luck with that
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Deleted User 4/8/2018 9:12 PM
Something like 97% of your sensory information is dumped within 3 seconds
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Even when you're awake
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like, all the time I can just, wake up from sleep and think there's just been a time skip, but then I'd remember a dream I had in the middle
9:13 PM
just because a time skip is felt doesn't mean it's been there actually
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That's why you just need an eeg
9:14 PM
They don't have to remember having a conscious experience because we can detect working memory in the brain, even if you won't remember it after the fact
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also you may call it a personal belief of mine but there's way more to consciousness than what goes on in the mind tbh
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You can measure the brain to see if it's doing something when you sleep, too. And compare it to when the brain is under anesthesia, or something.
9:16 PM
Or with an artificial lesion
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All of this however is dismissing the experiences of many many people who claim to have done things in the nonphysical with another only to have that other person confirm what they did. Same with seeing/knowing something that would have otherwise been impossible to know with literally no physical sensory information on said subject
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See, that's what is really interesting. The part where they had no sensory information on the subject.
9:18 PM
I had someone "prove meta" to me once upon a time, and I couldn't explain it. Was up several days trying to come up with an explanation -- I'll try to prune my original document on it to me more specific and send it over at some point (though that didn't touch, specifically, afterlife stuff)
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But the question we need to ask ourself is how can we measure this with good reliability, and how can we make it repeatable?
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Rather than just waiting around the ER for NDEs
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Well DMT is an interesting venue if it was less legally questionable
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It would be nice if we could get people to OBE on que
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Then they can look at things in the other room that they had no knowledge of
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And tell someone else that has no knowledge of things in the other room to record it (edited)
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don't mind me just posting some McKenna
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Thats the thing about the nonphysical. Completely different trying to study and research stuff in a place that's wibble wobbly
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donkerhonker 4/8/2018 9:22 PM
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ah yes that's what makes astronomy a science
9:22 PM
all those triggerable events
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Until you get into quantom
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